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  1. [verwijderd] 30 januari 2006 21:17
    Als Iran terug in z'n hok gaat, als die paar rebellen in Nigeria zich rustig gaan houden, de belachelijk zware winter in Oos-Europa gaat liggen en Poetin de gaskraan naar Europa gewoon open houdt, dan moet de olieprijs makkelijk een paar dollar terug kunnen op de KT. Voor de LT zie ik nog steeds scenario's van ver boven de $ 70 als doodnormaal.
  2. [verwijderd] 30 januari 2006 21:22
    Ready for $262/barrel oil?

    Yahoo forum vanavond:

    Ready for $262/barrel oil?
    by: idontlikebushatall
    Long-Term Sentiment: Strong Buy 01/30/06 06:59 am
    Msg: 34670 of 34840

    Two of the world's most successful investors say oil will be in short supply in the coming months.

    money.cnn.com/2006/01/27/news/interna...

    consequence: ESLR (and other) UP !!!!!!!!!!!!1

    fijne avond
  3. [verwijderd] 30 januari 2006 21:25
    quote:

    cruise sail schreef:

    Ready for $262/barrel oil?

    Yahoo forum vanavond:

    Ready for $262/barrel oil?
    by: idontlikebushatall
    Long-Term Sentiment: Strong Buy 01/30/06 06:59 am
    Msg: 34670 of 34840

    Two of the world's most successful investors say oil will be in short supply in the coming months.

    money.cnn.com/2006/01/27/news/interna...

    consequence: ESLR (and other) UP !!!!!!!!!!!!1

    fijne avond

    Dit artikel was reeds gepost...

    Evergreen Solar doet het de laatste weken geweldig ja:

    Hier de 3 maanden grafiek:

    finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=ESLR&t=3m
  4. [verwijderd] 30 januari 2006 21:28
    [quote=postzak]
    Als Iran terug in z'n hok gaat, als die paar rebellen in Nigeria zich rustig gaan houden, de belachelijk zware winter in Oos-Europa gaat liggen en Poetin de gaskraan naar Europa gewoon open houdt, dan moet de olieprijs makkelijk een paar dollar terug kunnen op de KT. Voor de LT zie ik nog steeds scenario's van ver boven de $ 70 als doodnormaal.
    [/quote

    Er zit idd veel in de koers.
    Ik ben ook een beetje aan het twijfelen.
    Volgens de diverse ministers van de opec zal morgen op de vergadering beslist worden dat de olieproductie op het huidige niveau gehandhaafd zal blijven.
    Van die kant dus geen angst maar wel een teken dat de comsumptie onverminderd groot is.
    De voorraden in de VS zijn redelijk op peil, zonder zwaar weer.
    Beetje speculatief met de prijzen van nu?
    Tsja...moeilijk....wat te doen?
    Nigeria en Iran zal wel met een sisser aflopen...of?
    Bij teveel twijfel sta ik even aan de kant.
    gr.fes
  5. [verwijderd] 30 januari 2006 21:48
    Olie toch weer hard omhoog vandaag:
    www.fxstreet.com/nou/gci/gciindices.asp

    Als er morgen een soortgelijke dag volgt, dan naderen we toch weer zeer dicht de $ 70.
    Eén verkeerde beweging in Iran, Palestina, Nigeria of Rusland en we gaan er ruimschoots boven.
    Of dit gezond is, is een tweede...

    gr postzak
  6. [verwijderd] 31 januari 2006 18:17
    De Opec landen hebben besloten om de productie zoals hij nu is (hoog niveau) te handhaven.
    Een aantal weken geleden was sprake van vermindering.

    Lauwe reactie op de oliemarkten.....mmmmm..beetje vreemd in een normale markt.
    Ruwe olie nog altijd tegen de top van sept. 2005.

    gr.fes
  7. [verwijderd] 1 februari 2006 20:36
    bush wil in de toekomst niet meer afhankelijk zijn van onbetrouwbare olieproducerende landen.
    hopelijk dat ze in de toekomst daar in de u.s veel meer geld in duurzame energie gaan steken.
    ze kunnen veel stuwdammen bouwen en energie uit water halen.
    en al die woestijnen van ze volbouwen met zonnepanelen.
  8. jrxs4all 1 februari 2006 21:41
    Je kunt van Bush zeggen wat je wil maar hier heeft hij het toch erg scherp gezien. Laat ze hun olie maar opeten daar. Vergeet niet, iedere keer dat je je tank volgooit subsidieer je allerlei enge landen die niets anders willen dan ons en onze beschaving vernietigen,

    JR
  9. [verwijderd] 1 februari 2006 23:13
    quote:

    postzak schreef:

    Nu dentert de prijs werkelijk naar beneden:

    www.fxstreet.com/nou/gci/gciindices.asp
    Het is wel de reactie die ik verwacht had.
    Mooi weer in de VS, China koopt minder olie, VS voorraden liggen op hoog niveau en opec blijft maar doorpompen.
    Eindelijk gerechtigheid.
    gr.fes
  10. [verwijderd] 2 februari 2006 18:32
    Over dit soort scenario's lees je steeds meer. Ik vind het vooralsnog vrij ongelofelijk:

    Oil Prices High Now? You Ain't Seen Nothing Yet!

    By Lindsay Williams
    02 Feb 2006 at 10:53 AM EST

    JOHANNESBURG (Business Day) -- In December 1998 the price of Texas crude oil is around $10 a barrel, in 2005 it’s around $46 a barrel - today in the New York oil trades around $68 a barrel - but that’s not the worst of it, as Nelson Schwartz from Fortune Magazine warns oil may get to $262 a barrel.

    LINDSAY WILLIAMS: I got an email from a friend on a commodity trading desk in London a couple of days ago: “When it comes to oil prices, you ain’t see nothing yet - according to Fortune Magazine’s Nelson Schwartz, two of the world’s most successful investors say oil will be in short supply in the coming months, and Hermitage Capital’s Bill Browder has outlined six scenarios, one of which could take oil up to a terrifying $262 a barrel.” The email also mentions billionaire investor George Soros. Nelson, I’m slightly worried about that $262 - it seems a little bit fanciful, but George Soros and Bill Browder aren’t exactly mugs in this game - should we be listening to what they’re saying?



    NELSON SCHWARTZ: That’s why I was so intrigued after talking to them last week in Davos, Switzerland. I don’t personally believe oil is necessarily going to go to $262 a barrel - I told Browder: “What is this - the Mad Max scenario?” On the other hand, these are two very smart guys who’ve made a lot of money be being contrarian investors - I think you’ve got to think about their predictions in such a way as to understand what kind of market we could be in, in terms of oil prices going forward.

    LINDSAY WILLIAMS: George Soros is obviously better known to most people - particularly in South Africa -what was his take on the situation?

    NELSON SCHWARTZ: George Soros wouldn’t get into specific prices like the other investor - this guy Bill Browder from Moscow that I spoke with - but Soros basically feels that oil is going to be in short supply over the next year. He is optimistic that new supplies are going to come on line in 2007, but he feels between now and then there are several geo-political risks, especially Iran and its confrontation with the West over their nuclear program - that’s going to keep oil prices high, it’s not going to change any time soon, and there doesn’t seem to be any easy way out of that confrontation.

    LINDSAY WILLIAMS: So he believes there could be an embargo imposed by Iran on the West?

    NELSON SCHWARTZ: Or a military conflict, which would have the same impact - if you had a strike by Israel on Iranian targets, or action by America - whether or not the Iranians do the embargoing, you could see supplies flowing out of Iran blocked, which would really push prices way up.

    LINDSAY WILLIAMS: Yes, the Israeli situation is one that hasn’t been factored in too much - but there is going to be some kind of political struggle there. Do you think that the right will get in? Do you think that Netanyahu or someone like him could come in and try and make a mark by taking a strong stand on Iran after the Iranian leader’s comments?

    NELSON SCHWARTZ: Everybody in Israel - whether they’re more on the right like Netanyahu, or more in the centre like Ehud Olmert from the Kadima party, the successor to Sharon - all of them are quite explicit on Iran, that Israel does not want Iran to possess a nuclear weapon, which after the leader of Iran’s comments about Israel, the holocaust, and wiping them off the map, is not too surprising. So bringing it back to oil prices - those are just some very worrisome issues, when in fact there isn’t much spare supply capacity left. It’s not like in previous oil shocks - where Saudi Arabia could just pump more, or maybe where West Africa could pump more from Angola or Nigeria. You’ve got problems in Nigeria as well. So the problem is if there is a confrontation with Iran there is no other country or region that could pick up the slack too quickly.

    LINDSAY WILLIAMS: Bill Browder is not so well known, but he’s done very well in his own particular way in a smaller fund - he trades the energy markets, and he’s based in Moscow. What’s his background?

    NELSON SCHWARTZ: He worked at Salomon Brothers - he’s actually an alumni where I went to school, at the University of Chicago in the U.S. He’s a bright guy who has done well by being a contrarian - he’s been in Moscow since the mid 1990s. A lot of other investors fled when Russia defaulted in 1998 on foreign debt - when the Kremlin went after Yukos a lot of other investors left, but he stuck with it, and he has been very well rewarded. The Russian market was way up last year, and his fund is up nearly 1,800% since inception about ten years ago.

    LINDSAY WILLIAMS: He talks about various scenarios - he brings in Iran, he brings in Nigeria, he brings in Hugo Chavez in Venezuela, he also talks quite interestingly about the potential powder keg that we mustn’t forget about in Saudi Arabia - of all the scenarios he sketches out, which one do you think is most likely?

    NELSON SCHWARTZ: I think the Iran scenario is most likely. The $262 scenario is based on fundamentalists taking over in Saudi Arabia - it’s a worry, but I would say that’s less likely. I would also put the Chavez scenario as less likely - I was down there, and interviewed Chavez. Venezuela is no friend of Bush, but they want the money from the U.S. basically - I think they know there is a symbiosis between the U.S. and Venezuela. On the other hand, Iran is pretty worrisome, as is Iraq - the insurgents have been stepping up activity in some areas, and I think Iraq has still not returned to the level of exports before the Iraq War - so that again is a little less capacity in a world that needs all the capacity it can get. So I think those scenarios are quite worrisome. If you’d asked me two or three years ago if oil could be at $70 I would have said “no way”. So I worry that now maybe we could see oil at $100 a barrel realistically, even if you don’t have all these scenarios coming into play.

    LINDSAY WILLIAMS: So you’re calling $100 a barrel within the next 12 months?

    NELSON SCHWARTZ: I’m not calling it - I’m not George Soros, or an investor - I’m just saying that we need to think of it as a more realistic possibility than maybe we did in the past.

    LINDSAY WILLIAMS: Do you think that oil will have the impact on the world economy that it hasn’t yet had?

    NELSON SCHWARTZ: I think as you get higher and higher you begin to see incremental impacts - the majority of U.S. airlines are either in bankruptcy, or have been in bankruptcy. I think it’s a big problem for airlines - you will see more surcharges. Europe is doing a bit better in terms of growth lately - I think you might see a slowdown there. I think the one thing that might provide a little respite - it hasn’t happened yet - is if you saw a sharp slowdown in growth from China. That might give us more headroom globally, but again we just haven’t seen any slowdown in Chinese demand.

    www.resourceinvestor.com/pebble.asp?r...
  11. [verwijderd] 2 februari 2006 20:01
    quote:

    fes schreef:

    [quote=postzak]
    Nu dentert de prijs werkelijk naar beneden:

    www.fxstreet.com/nou/gci/gciindices.asp
    [/quote]

    Het is wel de reactie die ik verwacht had.
    Mooi weer in de VS, China koopt minder olie, VS voorraden liggen op hoog niveau en opec blijft maar doorpompen.
    Eindelijk gerechtigheid.
    gr.fes
    en nog eens dik 2% er af:

    www.fxstreet.com/nou/gci/gciindices.asp
  12. [verwijderd] 3 februari 2006 16:53
    quote:

    roos 2000 schreef:

    mijn idee fes. welke stoploss denk jij aan? m.a.w. hoe hoog de hefboom?
    dank je, grt. roos
    Brent TL, stoploss 55
    Ingestapt op 10.55
    gr.fes
  13. [verwijderd] 6 februari 2006 21:07
    quote:

    postzak schreef:

    Stijging v/d olieprijs agv Iran-zaak is van korte duur geweest. Olie nu dik een half procent lager. Mogelijk dat de komende dagen de spanning oploopt, maar vooralsnog blijft de olieprijs er stabiel onder:

    www.fxstreet.com/nou/gci/gciindices.asp
    Idd Postzak,

    Het blijft moeilijk om alles te doorgronden.
    De spanningen in het middenoosten lopen op en de olieprijs daalt weer.
    Tsja...als we het allemaal bijvoorbaat konden weten.....dan waren de beursen vast niet leuk meer!

    gr.fes

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