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  1. eduardo3105 18 september 2020 18:05
    quote:

    BultiesBrothers schreef op 18 september 2020 17:37:

    Zo wat een eindveiling. Is dit normaal voor optie expiratie dagen?
    Ik weet niet hoe hoog dit bij Oci normaal is, maar bij andere fondsen die ik heb/had is dit inderdaad normaal
  2. [verwijderd] 18 september 2020 18:05
    Asia methanol prices at six-month high on supply crunch
    Published date: 18 September 2020

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    Methanol prices have risen to a six-month high in Asia-Pacific as a slew of outages in the Middle East hits supply availability for October.

    Spot prices in China averaged $210/t cfr this week, the highest since the week of 6 March. Spot prices had plunged to $151/t in May as downstream demand in China collapsed because of the Covid-19 outbreak.

    But prices surged this week, with offers from regional producers rising to around $250/t cfr China and buyers raising bids to $242/t towards the end of the week.

    Supply tightened as Oman-based Salalah Methanol took its 1.1mn t/yr plant off line last weekend. The producer is due to resume production two weeks after the shutdown started.

    Salalah Methanol is looking for spot cargoes to cover a short position as a result of the closure.

    Iran-based Kaveh also took its 2.3mn t/yr line in Dayyar off line on 14 September. The unit only restarted on 12 September after an outage lasting two weeks. The second shutdown was the result of further technical issues. The restart date is unclear.

    There was also talk of further technical issues at a Middle East-based producer's unit this week. The company declined to comment. But market participants said the producer is experiencing technical difficulties that may result in a shutdown in the coming weeks. No further details were available.

    By Mahua Chakravarty
  3. forum rang 6 BultiesBrothers 18 september 2020 18:09
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    jessebrown schreef op 18 september 2020 18:05:

    Asia methanol prices at six-month high on supply crunch
    Published date: 18 September 2020

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    Methanol prices have risen to a six-month high in Asia-Pacific as a slew of outages in the Middle East hits supply availability for October.

    Spot prices in China averaged $210/t cfr this week, the highest since the week of 6 March. Spot prices had plunged to $151/t in May as downstream demand in China collapsed because of the Covid-19 outbreak.

    But prices surged this week, with offers from regional producers rising to around $250/t cfr China and buyers raising bids to $242/t towards the end of the week.

    Supply tightened as Oman-based Salalah Methanol took its 1.1mn t/yr plant off line last weekend. The producer is due to resume production two weeks after the shutdown started.

    Salalah Methanol is looking for spot cargoes to cover a short position as a result of the closure.

    Iran-based Kaveh also took its 2.3mn t/yr line in Dayyar off line on 14 September. The unit only restarted on 12 September after an outage lasting two weeks. The second shutdown was the result of further technical issues. The restart date is unclear.

    There was also talk of further technical issues at a Middle East-based producer's unit this week. The company declined to comment. But market participants said the producer is experiencing technical difficulties that may result in a shutdown in the coming weeks. No further details were available.

    By Mahua Chakravarty
    Allicht dat Methanex op dit nieuws ook hard gestegen is vandaag.

    Van welke nieuwssite haal jij je deze info trouwens?
  4. [verwijderd] 18 september 2020 18:21
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    BultiesBrothers schreef op 18 september 2020 17:37:

    Zo wat een eindveiling. Is dit normaal voor optie expiratie dagen?
    Gezien de koers van OCI deze week en dat eigenlijk de koers al stond waar deze het beste kon expireren voor de uitstaande optieposities (tussen 10.50 en 11), welke overigens niet heel groot zijn, snap ik niet waar dit volume in de slotveiling vandaan komt want het is niet dat de koers nog even ergens neer werd gezet om nog wat te forceren qua optie expiratie want we stonden er ongeveer al.

    En de open interest in opties OCI is ook niet zo groot om zulk volume te verklaren dus..... geen idee waar dat ineens vandaan komt.

    Maar er is wel meer niet verklaarbaar aan de koers en niet alleen van OCI.

    Goed weekend allemaal, ja ook Watergordijn ;)
  5. forum rang 6 Just lucky 18 september 2020 18:52
    Dergelijke volumes in de slotveiling zie je bij geen ander fonds, de slotveiling bij OCI is meestal flink, maar vandaag enorm.
  6. [verwijderd] 18 september 2020 19:49
    quote:

    BultiesBrothers schreef op 18 september 2020 18:09:

    [...]

    Allicht dat Methanex op dit nieuws ook hard gestegen is vandaag.

    Van welke nieuwssite haal jij je deze info trouwens?
    https://www.argusmedia.com/en/news?language=Europe&page=1
  7. eduardo3105 18 september 2020 21:16
    quote:

    Just lucky schreef op 18 september 2020 18:52:

    Dergelijke volumes in de slotveiling zie je bij geen ander fonds, de slotveiling bij OCI is meestal flink, maar vandaag enorm.
    Nog wat voorbeelden
    Omzet
    ADYEN NV 954.082
    Gem. 87,8K
    987%
    IMCD 922.391
    Gem. 120,1K
    668%
    PROSUS 15.000.790
    Gem. 1,4M
    1001%
    Boskalis 1.031.742
    Gem. 154,6K
    568%
    Corbion 584.327
    Gem. 81,4K
    618%
    OCI 1.564.808
    Gem. 416,3K
    276%
  8. forum rang 6 Just lucky 18 september 2020 22:31
    quote:

    eduardo3105 schreef op 18 september 2020 21:16:

    [...]
    Nog wat voorbeelden
    Omzet
    ADYEN NV 954.082
    Gem. 87,8K
    987%
    IMCD 922.391
    Gem. 120,1K
    668%
    PROSUS 15.000.790
    Gem. 1,4M
    1001%
    Boskalis 1.031.742
    Gem. 154,6K
    568%
    Corbion 584.327
    Gem. 81,4K
    618%
    OCI 1.564.808
    Gem. 416,3K
    276%

    Het gaat niet om het dagvolume tov gemiddeld, het gaat om het volume in de slotveiling tov het volume op die dag tot 17.30.
  9. eduardo3105 18 september 2020 23:43
    quote:

    Just lucky schreef op 18 september 2020 22:31:

    [...]Het gaat niet om het dagvolume tov gemiddeld, het gaat om het volume in de slotveiling tov het volume op die dag tot 17.30.
    Dat snap ik maar dat is bij deze fondsen dus het geval maar kan ik niet laten zien met getallen.
  10. forum rang 6 BultiesBrothers 20 september 2020 11:42
    LONDON (ICIS)--The development of plastics recycling and the potential drop in liquid fuels demand on the back of the development of clean energy sources such as hydrogen could cap methanol demand in the next decades, the International Energy Agency (IEA) said on Thursday.

    This would only be achieved if commitment to those reforms remains strong, it added.

    Demand for methanol, a key intermediate in chemicals and fuels production, had been expected to continue to grow continuously well into the future.

    However, under the IEA’s sustainable development scenario - a roadmap developed by the agency for the world to reach net-zero emissions by 2070 – consumption could peak in the mid-2040s.

    The key drivers for methanol demand to peak would be the growth of the plastics recycling sector and reduced usage of liquid fuels in the transport sector as the electric vehicle (EV) sector and clean hydrogen power continue to grow, according to the IEA.

    “Additional plastic recycling reduces the need for methanol production,” the Paris-headquartered agency said in its energy technology perspectives report, released on Thursday.

    Fuel applications account for around a third of methanol production, and under the agency’s sustainable development scenario, liquid fuel use would be largely extinct under that timeline.
  11. forum rang 6 BultiesBrothers 20 september 2020 12:58
    www.fitchratings.com/research/corpora...

    Fitch Ratings Updates Global Fertiliser Price Assumptions
    Tue 08 Sep, 2020 - 05:26 ET

    Fitch Ratings-London-08 September 2020: Fitch Ratings has revised its fertiliser price assumptions on changed macroeconomic conditions and evolving supply and demand dynamics.

    We have lowered ammonia price assumptions for 2020 to reflect year-to-date (ytd) performance due to weak industrial demand and record low prices for gas, which is a feedstock for ammonia. The ammonia market is oversupplied by regions rich in gas, such as the CIS and Middle East, despite increased fertilizer demand from the US due to improved weather conditions and larger crop acreage. We have reduced our medium- and long-term price assumptions by USD20/tonne to reflect Fitch's lower gas price assumptions in Europe. This translates into lower breakeven prices even for high-cost non-integrated ammonia producers operating in regions that lack internal gas supply. We consider current market gas prices and ammonia oversupply to be unsustainable and expect a gradual rebound in ammonia prices in the next three-to-four years.

    We have kept the 2020 and long-term urea price assumptions unchanged but smoothed the increase in the medium term. We expect the recent rally in spot prices due to oversupply to be short-lived. We expect prices for anthracite and bituminous coal, main feedstocks for most high-cost Chinese urea producers and exporters, to continue to define a price floor for urea. We expect that a number of urea capacity additions in Nigeria, the CIS, Brunei or India in 2021-2022 to be partly offset by capacity closures in China. New projects could also face delays, as has already happened in some cases.

    We have revised our short-term phosphate rock price assumptions to reflect the ytd dynamics. Our flat price assumptions after 2020 reflect our view of a limited price upside potential as capacity utilisation remains low, while Egyptian producers are bringing new capacity onstream. However, we do not expect any material reduction in prices. We expect Moroccan OCP, a leading global phosphate rock exporter, to manage its exports in line with demand for phosphate rock.

    We have increased our 2020 price assumption for DAP on tight supply due to lower-than-expected production in Saudi Arabia and China and strong demand from India and Brazil. Spot prices were further boosted by the US International Trade Commission countervailing duty investigations on imports of phosphate fertilisers from Morocco and Russia. We would view the imposition of duties as a potential upside for prices. We have increased the 2021 price assumption due to delays in new phosphate facility openings by OCP, Yara and Pupuk Kaltim and continued disciplined supply by the largest Chinese producers. We have kept the long-term price assumptions unchanged as we expect demand to absorb new supplies in the long term, and feedstock prices to rise.

    We have slightly increased our 2020 potash price assumptions to reflect ytd performance. Supply contracts between main global potash producers and consumers in China and India reset price floors at USD220/tonne and USD230/tonne, respectively. Brazilian potash imports have been exceptionally high in 2020 and spurred Brazilian spot prices to turnaround in May 2020 after a 15-month price fall. We view potash as a nutrient with the highest growth potential. The market's supply discipline is well tested, while production is concentrated, which mitigates risks of significant price declines. However, new additional capacities in the CIS and currently idled high-cost capacities in Canada limit any material price upside. Still, potential export disruptions at Belaruskali, the largest potash producer, due to strikes could increase spot prices.
  12. [verwijderd] 20 september 2020 20:37
    quote:

    BultiesBrothers schreef op 20 september 2020 11:42:

    LONDON (ICIS)--The development of plastics recycling and the potential drop in liquid fuels demand on the back of the development of clean energy sources such as hydrogen could cap methanol demand in the next decades, the International Energy Agency (IEA) said on Thursday.

    This would only be achieved if commitment to those reforms remains strong, it added.

    Demand for methanol, a key intermediate in chemicals and fuels production, had been expected to continue to grow continuously well into the future.

    However, under the IEA’s sustainable development scenario - a roadmap developed by the agency for the world to reach net-zero emissions by 2070 – consumption could peak in the mid-2040s.

    The key drivers for methanol demand to peak would be the growth of the plastics recycling sector and reduced usage of liquid fuels in the transport sector as the electric vehicle (EV) sector and clean hydrogen power continue to grow, according to the IEA.

    “Additional plastic recycling reduces the need for methanol production,” the Paris-headquartered agency said in its energy technology perspectives report, released on Thursday.

    Fuel applications account for around a third of methanol production, and under the agency’s sustainable development scenario, liquid fuel use would be largely extinct under that timeline.
    Laten we hopen voor het milieu dat dit gaat lukken, we weten allemaal dat het nooit zo een vaart loopt en alles vertraging op loopt maar als we maar eens de goede kant op gaan in ieder geval.

    Dan volgens de gehoopte verwachting een mogelijke piek in 2045 over 25 jaar dus nog 25 jaar per saldo groei en dan weer niet in 1 dag omlaag natuurlijk maar ook weer in decennia, pakweg dus over 50 jaar weer terug op het huidge niveau.

    Dus mocht je je zorgen maken om dat artikel dan is dit mijn uitleg.

    De bedoeling is ook om de Methanol tak in de herstellende markt alsnog te verkopen en ik neem dan aan als pure kunstmest speler samen te smelten met een ander om zo nog.meer schaalvoordeel te halen.
  13. [verwijderd] 20 september 2020 20:48
    quote:

    BultiesBrothers schreef op 20 september 2020 12:58:

    www.fitchratings.com/research/corpora...

    Fitch Ratings Updates Global Fertiliser Price Assumptions
    Tue 08 Sep, 2020 - 05:26 ET

    Fitch Ratings-London-08 September 2020: Fitch Ratings has revised its fertiliser price assumptions on changed macroeconomic conditions and evolving supply and demand dynamics.

    We have lowered ammonia price assumptions for 2020 to reflect year-to-date (ytd) performance due to weak industrial demand and record low prices for gas, which is a feedstock for ammonia. The ammonia market is oversupplied by regions rich in gas, such as the CIS and Middle East, despite increased fertilizer demand from the US due to improved weather conditions and larger crop acreage. We have reduced our medium- and long-term price assumptions by USD20/tonne to reflect Fitch's lower gas price assumptions in Europe. This translates into lower breakeven prices even for high-cost non-integrated ammonia producers operating in regions that lack internal gas supply. We consider current market gas prices and ammonia oversupply to be unsustainable and expect a gradual rebound in ammonia prices in the next three-to-four years.

    We have kept the 2020 and long-term urea price assumptions unchanged but smoothed the increase in the medium term. We expect the recent rally in spot prices due to oversupply to be short-lived. We expect prices for anthracite and bituminous coal, main feedstocks for most high-cost Chinese urea producers and exporters, to continue to define a price floor for urea. We expect that a number of urea capacity additions in Nigeria, the CIS, Brunei or India in 2021-2022 to be partly offset by capacity closures in China. New projects could also face delays, as has already happened in some cases.

    We have revised our short-term phosphate rock price assumptions to reflect the ytd dynamics. Our flat price assumptions after 2020 reflect our view of a limited price upside potential as capacity utilisation remains low, while Egyptian producers are bringing new capacity onstream. However, we do not expect any material reduction in prices. We expect Moroccan OCP, a leading global phosphate rock exporter, to manage its exports in line with demand for phosphate rock.

    We have increased our 2020 price assumption for DAP on tight supply due to lower-than-expected production in Saudi Arabia and China and strong demand from India and Brazil. Spot prices were further boosted by the US International Trade Commission countervailing duty investigations on imports of phosphate fertilisers from Morocco and Russia. We would view the imposition of duties as a potential upside for prices. We have increased the 2021 price assumption due to delays in new phosphate facility openings by OCP, Yara and Pupuk Kaltim and continued disciplined supply by the largest Chinese producers. We have kept the long-term price assumptions unchanged as we expect demand to absorb new supplies in the long term, and feedstock prices to rise.

    We have slightly increased our 2020 potash price assumptions to reflect ytd performance. Supply contracts between main global potash producers and consumers in China and India reset price floors at USD220/tonne and USD230/tonne, respectively. Brazilian potash imports have been exceptionally high in 2020 and spurred Brazilian spot prices to turnaround in May 2020 after a 15-month price fall. We view potash as a nutrient with the highest growth potential. The market's supply discipline is well tested, while production is concentrated, which mitigates risks of significant price declines. However, new additional capacities in the CIS and currently idled high-cost capacities in Canada limit any material price upside. Still, potential export disruptions at Belaruskali, the largest potash producer, due to strikes could increase spot prices.

    Na dit stuk gelezen te hebben heb ik het idee dat ik een tegenstelling in uitleg tegen kom.

    DE pmerking van een recent rally in urea prices due to oversupply...
    Overproductie die voor een prijsstijging zorgt?

    Verder is hun verwachting dus dat de recente rally in prijzen short lived is maar verwachten wel een verdere stijging in de toekomst al hebben ze die wel.wat afgevlakt, gesmoothed zoals ze zelf schrijven.

    En dat het break even point van amonia omlaag is gegaan door de lagere gasprijzen is prima en OCI maar dat van die lagere gasprijs wisten we natuurlijk al en dat werkt pas echt nu de marktprijzen ook hoger zijn van het eindprodukt.
    Verder zit OCI natuurlijk wel in de buurt van goedkoop gas in Amerika Europa en het midden oosten alleen Egypte is nog duur.

    Daar nog niks gehoord over een verlaging van de door de overheid kunstmatig hoog gehouden gasprijs al lees ik ook niet alles.
  14. [verwijderd] 20 september 2020 22:44
    Er is vrijdagavond op de beurs in NYSE een enorme volume aan aandelen verhandeld van Fertilizers vooral in MOS was het dag volume wel 4,5x het dag gemiddelde,zeer opvallend was de stijging van het aandeel IPI ook een kleinere speler in Potach,het goede nieuws was wel dat Trumph de boeren in de VS nog een extra van 13 miljard$ aan hulp bied.
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    Ik blijf me verbazen waarom OCI weer zo een slechte week had,terwijl de Peers in de VS het juist goed deden,wat speeld er?
  15. forum rang 6 BultiesBrothers 21 september 2020 09:18
    Yara ligt ook niet lekker de laatste week.
    We hadden ipv urea producenten, in de fosfaat (P) producenten moeten zitten, zoals Mosaic en Nutrien... DAP is wel hard gestegen afgelopen maanden
  16. forum rang 6 BultiesBrothers 21 september 2020 09:29
    Nou nog een paar cent te gaan en de onderkant van het trendkanaal is weer aangetikt. Wat een ruk aandeel blijft dit toch. Veel verwachting, weinig koersstijging....
  17. [verwijderd] 21 september 2020 10:08
    Je ziet als Sawaris niet bijkoopt het aandeel gewoon in een vrije val beland,geen enkele partij gelooft er in,de familie hoeft ook geen bod op het restant te doen ze krijgen de aandelen vanzelf voor de laagste prijzen,vraag is of dit ook de bedoeling is.
  18. [verwijderd] 21 september 2020 10:21
    Ik snap de verbazing niet zo. Dit zag je toch mijlenver aankomen. Dit aandeel gaat als eerste naar beneden als de beurzen corrigeren. Institutionele beleggers blijven weg van dit aandeel, ondanks de forse insiders aankopen. Aandeel gaat voor een habbekrats van de beurs en is nooit beurswaardig geweest.
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