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1. [verwijderd] 17 juli 2006 21:54

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2. [verwijderd] 17 juli 2006 22:01

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3. [verwijderd] 18 juli 2006 00:27

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   zo doe je dat: www.nos.nl/nosjournaal/artikelen/2006...
4. [verwijderd] 18 juli 2006 05:48

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   Als je dan bovenstaand filmpje ziet,dat gedrag van die Texaanse cowboy die met zijn mond vol praat over zo'n gevoelige kwestie die zoveel mensen in hun hart raakt,je vraagt je echt af, waarom is hij niet in crisisberaad en slaat spijkers met koppen in plaats van daar onderuit gezakt op zo'n manier te l*llen.
   En onder de hoede van zo'n wereldleider moeten wij ons allemaal veilig voelen...
   Impeachement en wel graag meteen,wanneer staat dat Amerikaanse volk eens op en eist impeachement?
   Die man maakt meer kapot dan ons allemaal lief is.
   
   (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10562904/#survey
   86% van de 265432 voters is hier voor een impeachement van Bush)
   
   Crisis ramp voor economie Libanon
   
   De verwoestingen door Israël hebben
   Libanon zeker 50 jaar terug in de tijd
   gebracht.Dat heeft de Libanese premier
   Siniora gezegd.De schade loopt volgens
   hem in de miljarden.
   
   Vliegvelden,havens,bruggen en wegen
   zijn vernield.Ook het toerisme is zwaar
   getroffen.De meeste winkels en kantoren
   en ook de beurs in Beiroet zijn dicht.
   Libanon kampt met een miljardenschuld.
   De laatste jaren leek de economie juist
   op te krabbelen.
   
   De Franse premier De Villepin bracht
   gisteren een bezoek aan Beiroet.VN-chef
   Annan en de Britse premier Blair willen
   een internationale troepenmacht sturen.
   
   
5. [verwijderd] 18 juli 2006 07:05

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   ********** schreef:

   Hezbollah moet wel iets terugkrijgen want anders lijden ze zo’n gezichtsverlies dat ze ophouden te bestaan.

   Je lijkt er veel verstand van te hebben sterretje. Ik denk dat de soldaten dood terug komen.
   -pcrs
6. [verwijderd] 18 juli 2006 07:10

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   bobootje schreef:

   Als je dan bovenstaand filmpje ziet,dat gedrag van die Texaanse cowboy die met zijn mond vol praat over zo'n gevoelige kwestie die zoveel mensen in hun hart raakt,

   Typisch europees, empeachment omdat hij met volle mond praat. Tafelmanieren daar rekenen we onze leiders op af. Europa heeft twee WO gestart, alle ideologieen bedacht waar miljoenen doden uit vorotkwamen, we stonden bij Srebenica de mannen en vrouwen te scheiden, maar heffen nog steeds het vingertje naar Bush omdat hij met volle mond praat.
   Ik kan mij wel voorstellen dat ze niet meer naar morele praat uit europa luisteren daar in de VS. Eerst maar eens zelf wat bewijzen. Offer je eigen levens maar eens op voor je eigen vrijheid en laat zien dat je het wat waard vindt.
   -pcrs
7. Cézan 18 juli 2006 07:42

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   The Party's Over
   
   As the bombs fall, the nightlife capital of the Middle East grows desperate
   By ANDREW LEE BUTTERS
   
   Posted Sunday, Jul. 16, 2006
   When the electricity finally failed in my East Beirut neighborhood, I set up shop at a rooftop hotel bar and waited for the next Israeli bombs to fall. Almost immediately, the sky erupted with what sounded like antiaircraft fire but turned out to be red and green fireworks garishly flashing over the hot, dark city. The Shi'ite residents of Beirut's southern suburbs, pummeled all day by the Israeli assault, were celebrating Hizballah leader Hassan Nasrallah's declaration of war with Israel.
   
   That's what passes for a party in Beirut these days. Monot Street, Beirut's main nightclub drag, is normally throbbing with oil-rich Arab playboys and European hipsters on such a steamy summer night. But with the city under siege, the only buzz coming from Beirut's bars is the hum of power generators. There's not a bikini in sight on the city's sunny shoreline or a parked Porsche in the chic shopping district. Few Lebanese saw it coming. After this country's 15-year civil war ended in 1990, the nation transformed itself from a byword for urban violence into the nightlife capital of the Middle East. Elites who had fled during the war poured back in, pumping billions of dollars into the redevelopment of downtown Beirut. The rebranding of the city was so successful that with every condominium high-rise and every new shopping mall, the Lebanese began to believe their own advertising and forget that they live in a fragile country in a dangerous part of the world. That illusion now lies in tatters.
   
   The foreigners were the first to panic. At the Phoenicia Hotel, the city's fanciest, the lobby was filled with fashionable women fleeing the country in high-heeled shoes. The embassies circulated fanciful evacuation plans involving small airplanes and ferries to Cyprus. The U.N. told its employees to stock up on a month's worth of prescription medication and take a long weekend.
   
   The problem is that there's almost no place to go. Poor Beirut airport, recently rebuilt, was famously attacked in 1968, when Israeli commandos blew up 13 Lebanese civilian planes as they sat on the tarmac. This time the attack came in slow motion: first the runways, then the fuel-storage tanks, then the runways again, then the terminals.
   
   With Israeli warships attacking ports and running blockades, the only way out of the country is by land through Syria. Fleets of taxis carried hotel guests on the three-hour trip to Damascus until an air strike knocked out a key bridge. Now cars have to take back roads through the high mountain passes or head north up the coast road toward the Syrian city of Homs. Given the conditions on the roads, staying in Beirut while the bombs fall is as good an option as trying to make a run for it. "You share your bed with a Lebanese girl?" a staff member at the Tourism Ministry asked me. "Get married, and you won't have to leave."
   
   The Lebanese--who lived through far worse than this during the civil war--are determined to put up a steely front. Every time I go to a supermarket to collect quotes from supposedly terrified families stocking up on essentials, I end up being the one with the largest shopping-cart load of canned goods and batteries. But it's hard to escape the sense of dread that looms over the country. "Twenty years of reconstruction are being destroyed in a few days," the Tourism Minister, Joseph Sarkis, moaned to me from his nearly abandoned ministry. The owner of a subterranean nightclub called the Basement is trying to rally his patrons with a new slogan: "It's safer underground." Even in Beirut, that may not be enough to keep the party going.
   
   Uit time.com
   
   
8. [verwijderd] 18 juli 2006 07:56

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   pcrs7 schreef:

   [quote=bobootje]
   Als je dan bovenstaand filmpje ziet,dat gedrag van die Texaanse cowboy die met zijn mond vol praat over zo'n gevoelige kwestie die zoveel mensen in hun hart raakt,[/quote]
   Typisch europees, empeachment omdat hij met volle mond praat. Tafelmanieren daar rekenen we onze leiders op af. Europa heeft twee WO gestart, alle ideologieen bedacht waar miljoenen doden uit vorotkwamen, we stonden bij Srebenica de mannen en vrouwen te scheiden, maar heffen nog steeds het vingertje naar Bush omdat hij met volle mond praat.
   Ik kan mij wel voorstellen dat ze niet meer naar morele praat uit europa luisteren daar in de VS. Eerst maar eens zelf wat bewijzen. Offer je eigen levens maar eens op voor je eigen vrijheid en laat zien dat je het wat waard vindt.
   -pcrs
   

   Tafelmanieren? Man,als je dan naar iemand op wil kijken toch niet naar deze man? Schaam je zou ik zeggen...die scene van gisteren is eigenlijk het laatste druppeltje wat de emmer doet overlopen,als je dan echt iemand bent dan zat ie wel iets anders te doen dan daar zo te zitten en de crisis in het MO daar zo zitten te bespreken.
   De onkunde druipt er van af,ook om Kofi Annan zo af te schilderen zeg,wat een benepen mannetje
9. [verwijderd] 18 juli 2006 07:58

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   Mijn vraag is: heeft de crisis in het Midden Oosten heden een invloed op de AEX?
10. [verwijderd] 18 juli 2006 08:18

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    Precies...weg met die man
    Die lost niks op die gooit alleen maar meer olie op het vuur.
    Laat 'm maar mooi in Texas op z'n ranch dat soort simpele gesprekjes gaan voeren met z'n vriendjes dan blijft de ellende in ieder geval beperkt tot dat kleine wereldje van hem
    
    Arabs look to U.S. for diplomatic solution
    
    Diplomatic efforts to resolve the Middle East crisis are unlikely to prove successful until Israel feels it has crippled Hezbollah or President George W. Bush pressures Israel to halt the offensive, Arab diplomats said Monday.
    
    One senior Arab diplomat said the answer lies in Washington: "Just like only [President] Nixon could go to China, only Bush can push Israel."
    
    But officials such as Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and U.N. Ambassador John Bolton have said the United States does not believe the time is right for a cease-fire.
    
    The U.S. position is that a cease-fire is a temporary halt to the hostilities, and what everyone wants is a solution that eliminates the threat posed by Hezbollah.
    
    Privately, senior U.S. officials said they don't expect the fighting to stop until Israel has sufficiently demobilized Hezbollah.
    
    Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert said Monday his country is committed to "removing Hezbollah from the area" and bringing home the two Israeli soldiers abducted last week before halting its military operations in Lebanon.
    
    The Arab League -- plus, in separate statements, Egypt, Jordan and Saudi Arabia -- put the onus on Hezbollah for igniting the violence.
    
    But now Arab diplomats are afraid this is being used as justification for the continued Israeli operations in Lebanon. The longer the operations go on, diplomats say, it will be increasingly difficult for Arab leaders to put the blame on Hezbollah, because ongoing violence will fuel anti-Israeli public opinion in their countries.
    
    Egyptian Foreign Minister Ahmed Aboul Gheit and Intelligence Minister Omar Suleiman are in Washington and plan to meet with Rice and other U.S. officials Tuesday. European and Arab countries are making a big push for deeper U.S. engagement -- specifically a tougher stand with Israel.
    
    While they understand the United States has asked Israel to be selective in targeting infrastructure and to strive to protect civilians, Arab officials said the pictures airing on news channels indicate this is not happening, and the United States is seen as giving Israel a green light.
    
    Meanwhile, U.S. officials have said the statement on the Mideast issued by the Group of Eight economic powers at their summit in Russia on Sunday offers a "framework" for the road ahead. In its statement, the G-8 called on Israel "to exercise utmost restraint, seeking to avoid casualties among innocent civilians and damage to civilian infrastructure and to refrain from acts that would destabilize the Lebanese government." (Full story)
    
    Several officials said Rice played a big role in drafting the statement, and many Arab diplomats -- including Lebanese -- think it was an evenhanded statement.
    
    President Bush said Monday he plans to send his secretary of state to the Middle East.
    
    But diplomats and even some U.S. officials are ambivalent about the usefulness of a trip by Rice.
    
    While it would be a symbolic show of U.S. engagement in the region, they said, there are downsides. With no contact with Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran and Syria -- seen as main actors in the unfolding drama -- there aren't that many parties for Rice to talk to; and if the Israeli position remains the same and the United States is reluctant to exert pressure, there isn't much to be accomplished.
    
    In addition, Rice would be expected by leaders in the region to visit Lebanon after voicing strong support for the government of Prime Minister Fouad Siniora. But U.S. security officials may decide a visit to Beirut would be too perilous.
    
    Monday, in interviews on CNN, Lebanese U.N. Ambassador Nouhad Mahmoud and the Israeli ambassador to the United States, Daniel Ayalon, each said the time is not right for a Rice trip to the region.
    
    Officials said Rice will not visit the Middle East before hearing from a U.N. team in the region examining options on how to end the hostilities, including the possible deployment of a U.N. stabilization force.
    
    The force, proposed at the G-8 summit by U.N. Secretary General Kofi Annan and British Prime Minister Tony Blair, could help the weak Lebanese army deploy in areas now controlled by Hezbollah. The United States says such a force could be useful, but only once Hezbollah stops its rocket attacks into Israel and returns the two Israeli soldiers kidnapped last week.
    
    The United States also is increasing pressure on Iran and Syria. U.S. officials say any U.N. resolution on the Middle East must call on Tehran and Damascus to stop its support for Hezbollah.
    
    
    
    
12. [verwijderd] 18 juli 2006 08:41

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    Red Alert: A Diplomatic Interlude
    There is increasing discussion of a cease-fire between Israel and Lebanon. French Prime Minister Dominic de Villepin is in Beirut to discuss it. The Israelis say they are talking to the Italians about it, and even the Iranians have said that they favor a cease-fire. Iranian Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki said today, "A reasonable and just solution must be found to end this crisis. A cease-fire and then a swap is achievable." That is quite a distance for the Iranians to have gone.
    
    Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert listed three demands for a cease-fire: first, the release of captured soldiers; second, an end to rocket attacks on Israel; and third, the deployment of Lebanese Army troops along the Israeli-Lebanese border. Other diplomats have been talking about an international force along the border.
    
    The first two demands can easily be met. It is the third one that will be the sticking point because it goes to the heart of the issue. When Israel talks of the Lebanese Army being deployed there, it is saying two things. The first is that it doesn't trust an international force containing troops from countries like Russia and France. It does not believe they will be neutral. Second, if a Lebanese force is deployed, it must be able to impose its will on Hezbollah, through military action if possible.
    
    The problem is that the Lebanese Army is not in a position, politically or militarily, to control Hezbollah. If it could do so, it would have. Moreover, if the army were able to impose its will, Hezbollah would cease to be an effective group. Hezbollah's power comes from its military capabilities and autonomy. Israel's demand would represent the end of Hezbollah in its current form. Israel does not trust a suspension of Hezbollah attacks; they believe the militants will strike again unless someone can guarantee otherwise. Israel's call for a Lebanese force that can impose its will on Hezbollah is a contradiction in terms. It is an offer of a cease-fire that can't be delivered.
    
    Israel is, however, interested in continuing the diplomatic process. Its reasoning can be seen from reports Stratfor has received from sources close to Hezbollah. They have said that Hezbollah is maintaining its attacks on Israel because the militants want Israel to attack them on the ground sooner rather than later. Over time, they fear, Hezbollah's ability to resist Israeli attack will be undermined by airstrikes. The militants' command and control, communications, weapons stockpiles and morale will be undermined. On the other hand, if Israel were to attack now, Hezbollah's leadership is confident that it could impose losses on Israeli troops that would be unacceptable. That is what the militants want to achieve -- they want to engage Israel as the first Arab force that, even if it can't win in the end, can severely damage the Israel Defense Forces.
    
    If that is actually Hezbollah's thinking -- and that would explain their behavior -- then we can also better understand Israeli thinking. If the airstrikes are hurting Hezbollah's morale and infrastructure, there is no reason to hurry in on the ground. It makes more sense to let the current situation continue even if it means further attacks on Israeli targets. In the meantime, Tel Aviv can engage in diplomatic initiatives that will reposition Israel in the international system. Rather than resisting diplomatic efforts, Israel is participating, setting demands that appear extremely reasonable while being unattainable. While that game goes on, so does the air war and the undermining of Hezbollah's core strength.
    
    The problem is that Hezbollah can see this happening. That means it must try to increase its attacks to create a political crisis in Israel. Olmert is under a microscope. There is suspicion that he will be sucked into a diplomatic solution that will not only not deal with the Hezbollah threat, but also make it impossible to attack the militants later if they resume attacks. In this scenario, an international presence is forced on Israel, Hezbollah resumes attacks without the international force taking decisive action, and Israel is forced to either do nothing or attack through the international force.
    
    In other words, there is a trap for Israel in all of this. If it gets too clever on the diplomatic side, it can wind up in trouble. On the other hand, a diplomatic process gives Israel time to do what Hezbollah wants least: an air war designed to impose attrition on them.
    
    We have not expected the Israelis to accept bombardment for as long as they have. However, if Hezbollah's view is correct, it is good military strategy and the Israeli public will accept that. It may force Hezbollah to make serious concessions under pressure to preserve the cohesiveness of its force. But if the diplomatic game results in extended attacks on Israel without action, or results in a cease-fire that does not preclude a resumption of attacks, then Olmert will come under dramatic pressure and will lose his room for maneuver.
    
    Olmert knows this, of course. He has managed the internal politics skillfully to this point. He can probably play diplomatic games for another 48 hours by implying military necessity to his Cabinet. But then it starts to become very dicey politically. And by then, Hezbollah's attacks will have become intolerable, and attacking -- whatever the condition of Hezbollah -- will become essential.
    
    Neither an international force nor the Lebanese Army (with its current capabilities) protecting Israel from Hezbollah attacks will fly in Israel.
    
    Send questions or comments on this article to analysis@stratfor.com.
    
13. [verwijderd] 18 juli 2006 08:42

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    Bush Curses Hezbollah on Live Microphone
    By JEANNINE AVERSA
    AP Economics Writer
    ST. PETERSBURG, Russia
    It wasn't meant to be overheard. Private luncheon conversations among world leaders, picked up by a microphone, provided a rare window into both banter and substance _ including President Bush cursing Hezbollah's attacks against Israel.
    
    Bush expressed his frustration with the United Nations and his disgust with the militant Islamic group and its backers in Syria as he talked to British Prime Minister Tony Blair during the closing lunch at the Group of Eight summit.
    
    "See the irony is that what they need to do is get Syria to get Hezbollah to stop doing this s--- and it's over," Bush told Blair as he chewed on a buttered roll.
    
    He told Blair he felt like telling U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan, who visited the gathered leaders, to get on the phone with Syrian President Bashar Assad to "make something happen." He suggested Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice might visit the region soon.
    
    The unscripted comments came during a photo opportunity at the lunch. The leaders clearly did not realize that a live microphone was picking up their discussion.
    
    Asked about the microphone mishap during his final briefing of the summit, Blair quipped that it was "all about transparent government." He smiled and tapped the microphone in front of him.
    
    Bush "sort of rolled his eyes and laughed" when told the comments had been audible and a copy had been made, said Press Secretary Tony Snow. "Actually his reaction first was, 'What did it say?' So we showed him the transcript, then he rolled his eyes and laughed."
    
    Bush also spoke to other leaders, and his unscripted comments ranged from the serious topic of escalating violence in the Mideast to light banter about his preference for Diet Coke and a gift he received from another leader.
    
    Blair, whose remarks were not as clearly heard, appeared to be pressing Bush about the importance of getting international peacekeepers into the region.
    
    Bush expresses amazement that it will take some leaders as many as eight hours to fly home _ about the same time it will take Air Force One with Bush aboard to return to Washington.
    
    "You eight hours? Me, too. Russia's a big country and you're a big country," Bush said, at one point telling a waiter he wanted Diet Coke. "Takes him eight hours to fly home. Russia's big and so is China. Yeah Blair, what're you doing? Are you leaving."
    
    Bush thanked Blair for the gift of a sweater and joked that he knew Blair had picked it out personally. "Absolutely," Blair responded, with a laugh.
    
    A stickler for keeping to his schedule, Bush could also be heard telling Russian President Vladimir Putin, "We've got to keep this thing moving. I have to leave at 2:15. They want me out of town so to free up your security forces."
    
    Bush also remarked that some speakers at the meeting talk too long.
    
    It was the second time in less than a month that remarks at a G-8 event in Russia ended up being heard over an audio system officials thought was off.
    
    Last month, an inadvertent audio feed from a closed-door lunch in Moscow between Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov exposed their sometimes testy discussion about the security situation in Iraq.
14. [verwijderd] 18 juli 2006 10:26

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    Gretta Duisenberg draagt haar steenje bij
    
    Duisenberg begrijpt niets van de uitspraken van de Amerikaanse president George Bush en zijn minister van Buitenlandse Zaken Condoleezza Rice, dat Israël het recht heeft zich te verdedigen. "Tegen wie en tegen wat dan?."
    De expansiedrift van Israël is het hoofdprobleem en vormt een bedreiging voor de wereldvrede, vindt zij. "Het lijkt wel of Israël van een andere planeet komt."
    
    In dat laatste heeft ze gelijk. Israel komt zonder twijfel van een andere planeet dan Mw. Duisenberg.
    Van de Aarde namelijk.
    En toch zijn er nog steeds mensen die veronderstellen dat er op andere planeten wellicht leven zou zijn....
    
15. [verwijderd] 18 juli 2006 10:31

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    Ach,misschien moet je er eens naar toe,ga de palestijnen eens op zoeken,kun je met eigen ogen aanschouwen hoe die moeten leven
    de wereld moet zich schamen
    het vervelende is dat het niet een andere planeet is,geen verzinsel maar de realiteit van de dag
16. [verwijderd] 18 juli 2006 10:39

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    Klopt Yannicke en er is geen rijke moslimstaat die hun helpt, behalve dan met wapens en het inpeperen van de Islamdoctrine.
    
    Groetjes
17. [verwijderd] 18 juli 2006 10:41

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    Gisteren zei Netanyahu: als Libanon militair kon wat Israël kan dan was Israël er nu niet meer.
    Als Israël weet dat het militair zo sterk is dat het heel Libanon van de kaart kan vegen dan vraag je je af waar is hun gevoel van verantwoordelijkheid nog?
    Ze weten dat Hezbollah wat wapens betreft niet veel kan en dan toch deze buitenproportionele akties op Libanees grondgebied waardoor dat hele land economisch weer een hele zware klap krijgt alle gedode onschuldige burgers nog niet eens meegerekend.
    Chapeau Israël!
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    dat weet Israël toch al veel langer dan vandaag,dat betekent nog niet dat je onschuldige mensen daar de dupe van moet laten worden,hoelang is de Hezbollah al op deze manier aktief....er is al jarenlang sprake van raketten afvuren over en weer,nu werden er 2 soldaten gekidnapped en dat gaf Israël de vrijbrief te reageren zoals ze nu doen.
    Maar is dat handig? Is dat doordacht te werk gaan.
    De geheime dienst van Israël had zoveel meer kunnen doen dan was dit helemaal niet nodig geweest.
    De akties van Israël zijn buitenproportioneel!
    
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    Het was de druppel die de emmer deed overlopen.
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    Eén van de redenen dat het vertrouwen - ook in de beurzen - hand over hand afneemt, is dat het lang niet zeker is dat onder leiding van de huidige leiders een goede oplossing gevonden kan worden.
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    quote:

    yannicke schreef:

    dat weet Israël toch al veel langer dan vandaag,dat betekent nog niet dat je onschuldige mensen daar de dupe van moet laten worden,hoelang is de Hezbollah al op deze manier aktief....er is al jarenlang sprake van raketten afvuren over en weer,nu werden er 2 soldaten gekidnapped en dat gaf Israël de vrijbrief te reageren zoals ze nu doen.
    Maar is dat handig? Is dat doordacht te werk gaan.
    De geheime dienst van Israël had zoveel meer kunnen doen dan was dit helemaal niet nodig geweest.
    De akties van Israël zijn buitenproportioneel!
    
    

    Je gaat er toch niet vanuit dat deze aktie van Israel een soort ad-hoc beslissing is geweest, hoop ik...
    Aanleiding: raktbeschietingen, oorzaak: kidnapping. Tijd van klessebesse is voorbij voor de Israeli´s.
    Oh ja, Ohmert moet zich ook bewijzen in die wereld.