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  1. forum rang 10 DeZwarteRidder 26 april 2022 08:05
    Foreign investors are ditching China. Russia's war is the latest trigger
    Hong Kong (CNN Business)

    Investors are ditching China on an unprecedented scale as a cocktail of political and business risks, and rising interest rates elsewhere, make the world's second biggest economy a less attractive place to keep their money.
    China witnessed $17.5 billion worth of portfolio outflows last month, an all-time high, according to most recent data from the Institute of International Finance (IIF). The US-based trade association called this capital flight by overseas investors "unprecedented," especially as there were no similar outflows from other emerging markets during this period. The outflows included $11.2 billion in bonds, while the rest were equities.
    Data from the Chinese government also showed a record bond-market retreat by foreign investors in recent months. Overseas investors offloaded a net 35 billion yuan ($5.5 billion) of Chinese government bonds in February, the largest monthly reduction on record, according to China Central Depository and Clearing. The sell-off accelerated in March, hitting a new high of 52 billion yuan ($8.1 billion).

    "China's support for the Russian invasion of Ukraine was clearly the catalyst for capital to leave China," said George Magnus, an associate at the China Centre at Oxford University and former chief economist for UBS.

    China and Russia proclaimed in February that their friendship had "no limits." That was before Russia invaded Ukraine. Now, with Russia's economy being slammed with sanctions from all over the world, Beijing has not rushed to help out its northern neighbor, fearing that it too could get caught up in sanctions. But it has also refused to condemn Russia's attack on Ukraine, seeking to portray itself as a neutral actor and blaming the situation on the United States.
    "There is nervousness about China's ambiguous, but Russia-leaning stance on the Ukraine conflict, which raises worries that China could be targeted by sanctions if it helps Russia," said Martin Chorzempa, a senior fellow at the Peterson Institute for International Economics, who has studied China's economy and US-China relations.

    The war in Ukraine has also heightened concerns about the risk that China could increase its military force against Taiwan, triggering a massive flight of capital from the Asian island.
    But geopolitical tension is not the only reason behind the exodus. The rate hike in the United States and China's strict Covid-related lockdowns have also played a role in scaring investors.
  2. Mill91 26 april 2022 08:27
    quote:

    DeZwarteRidder schreef op 26 april 2022 08:05:

    Foreign investors are ditching China. Russia's war is the latest trigger
    Hong Kong (CNN Business)

    Investors are ditching China on an unprecedented scale as a cocktail of political and business risks, and rising interest rates elsewhere, make the world's second biggest economy a less attractive place to keep their money.
    China witnessed $17.5 billion worth of portfolio outflows last month, an all-time high, according to most recent data from the Institute of International Finance (IIF). The US-based trade association called this capital flight by overseas investors "unprecedented," especially as there were no similar outflows from other emerging markets during this period. The outflows included $11.2 billion in bonds, while the rest were equities.
    Data from the Chinese government also showed a record bond-market retreat by foreign investors in recent months. Overseas investors offloaded a net 35 billion yuan ($5.5 billion) of Chinese government bonds in February, the largest monthly reduction on record, according to China Central Depository and Clearing. The sell-off accelerated in March, hitting a new high of 52 billion yuan ($8.1 billion).

    "China's support for the Russian invasion of Ukraine was clearly the catalyst for capital to leave China," said George Magnus, an associate at the China Centre at Oxford University and former chief economist for UBS.

    China and Russia proclaimed in February that their friendship had "no limits." That was before Russia invaded Ukraine. Now, with Russia's economy being slammed with sanctions from all over the world, Beijing has not rushed to help out its northern neighbor, fearing that it too could get caught up in sanctions. But it has also refused to condemn Russia's attack on Ukraine, seeking to portray itself as a neutral actor and blaming the situation on the United States.
    "There is nervousness about China's ambiguous, but Russia-leaning stance on the Ukraine conflict, which raises worries that China could be targeted by sanctions if it helps Russia," said Martin Chorzempa, a senior fellow at the Peterson Institute for International Economics, who has studied China's economy and US-China relations.

    The war in Ukraine has also heightened concerns about the risk that China could increase its military force against Taiwan, triggering a massive flight of capital from the Asian island.
    But geopolitical tension is not the only reason behind the exodus. The rate hike in the United States and China's strict Covid-related lockdowns have also played a role in scaring investors.
    Niet bepaald lekker nieuws...
  3. forum rang 5 maarten030 26 april 2022 08:38
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    Mill91 schreef op 26 april 2022 08:27:

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    Niet bepaald lekker nieuws...
    Ik weet niet onder welke steen je hebt gelegen? Of was het je niet duidelijk dat beleggers momenteel uit China vluchten haha
  4. Mill91 26 april 2022 08:44
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    maarten030 schreef op 26 april 2022 08:38:

    [...]

    Ik weet niet onder welke steen je hebt gelegen? Of was het je niet duidelijk dat beleggers momenteel uit China vluchten haha
    Dat is al een jaar ;) dus misschien kun je het ook zien als oud nieuws
  5. Mill91 26 april 2022 08:53
    Gaat Tencent HKG rood sluiten!?
    Scherp herstel AEX voorzien na opleving Wall Street --> benieuwd hoe erg we vandaag weer gaan floppen!
    Succes allen!
  6. forum rang 5 maarten030 26 april 2022 09:08
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    Mill91 schreef op 26 april 2022 08:53:

    Gaat Tencent HKG rood sluiten!?
    Scherp herstel AEX voorzien na opleving Wall Street --> benieuwd hoe erg we vandaag weer gaan floppen!
    Succes allen!
    Zolang de oorlog blijft, lockdowns in China, spanningen rondom regulering, Evergrande zullen we nog even blijven floppen. Hou gewoon op met dagelijks naar een koers staren. China (incl. Tencent) is een tanker dat niet meer te stoppen is de komende decennia. De koerswinst is ongeveer 10-12x en dat gaat de komende jaren vanzelf minder worden. Heerlijk voor beleggers met een lange termijn visie. Dodelijk voor beleggers die zich dagelijks druk maken om de koers.
  7. [verwijderd] 26 april 2022 10:41
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    Mill91 schreef op 26 april 2022 08:44:

    [...]
    Dat is al een jaar ;) dus misschien kun je het ook zien als oud nieuws
    Oorlog Oekraine is vanaf februari.
  8. forum rang 5 maarten030 26 april 2022 15:19
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    JFSW schreef op 26 april 2022 13:18:

    Vindt het een zwak aftreksel de koers Prosus slechts 1,38 % momenteel . t.o.v . tencent plus 2,57% maarja....
    Waar zit hem dit nou weer in??
    Vraag en aanbod.
  9. Mnie 26 april 2022 16:10
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    JFSW schreef op 26 april 2022 13:18:

    Vindt het een zwak aftreksel de koers Prosus slechts 1,38 % momenteel . t.o.v . tencent plus 2,57% maarja....
    Waar zit hem dit nou weer in??
    Nasdaq -2%.. Daar zit het em.. Ik ben voorlopig blij dat we nog groen staan trouwens.. Het kan trouwens nog een wilde rit worden vandaag n'a de cijfers van alphabet en microsoft
  10. Mill91 26 april 2022 16:19
    Nasdaq flink bloedbad daar! Overigens niet alleen Nasdaq maar ook mijn gehele portefeulle.
    Gemiddeld -65% pff. Hopelijk houdt Prosus vandaag een keer stand en gaan de Chinese ADR's herstellen.
  11. [verwijderd] 26 april 2022 17:00
    Prosus is deze ochtend een paar seconden boven de € 44 geweest, maar blijkbaar was dit veel te hoog gegrepen.

    Ach ja, morgen misschien nieuwe kansen om onze GAK te verlagen :-|
  12. [verwijderd] 26 april 2022 17:19
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    Hopper58 schreef op 26 april 2022 17:07:

    Zie ik dat goed: Tencent ADR houdt tamelijk goed stand op de Nasdaq? - 1,2 % / 41,9 $
    Bob zijn investeringen daarentegen... Delivery Hero - 8 %.
  13. forum rang 8 Hopper58 26 april 2022 17:27
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    TomVl schreef op 26 april 2022 17:19:

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    Bob zijn investeringen daarentegen... Delivery Hero - 8 %.
    Alle bedrijven die in het beginstadium zitten lijden nu weer zware verliezen. Dit zegt niets over de kwaliteit van de investering in Delivery Hero. Donderdagmorgen de cijfers. Ik verwacht een enorme groei en een verbeterde (alhoewel nog licht negatieve) Ebitda.

    Als je hier niet van houd zit je niks te doen in Prosus.
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